Home Forums > Discussions > Music Corner > Obviously stolen riffs. Nirvana, "Come As You Are" Killing Joke, "Eighties" Music has been around for thousands and thousands of years (maybe even millions?). The song "Come as You Are", by American grunge band Nirvana, featured a riff similar to "Eighties". Their performance is intercut with stock footage of Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, Leonid Brezhnev (with the footage deliberately skipping), Anwar Sadat, Pope John Paul II, Ruhollah Khomeini, Konstantin Chernenko and John DeLorean. Nirvana and their management company, Gold Mountain, were unsure about releasing the song as a single from their 1991 studio album, Nevermind. ", AllMusic writer Bill Janovitz reviewed "Eighties", comparing and contrasting "Come as You Are" and "Eighties":[9]. Mar 20, 2014 #109 nukes_da_bass Banned TOP FORBIDDEN RIFFS #1: STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN. At the time, Killing Joke opted not to file a copyright infringement lawsuit, a decision which was dictated by personal and financial implications of taking one of the biggest bands on the planet to court. Same goes for the drum pattern. In his 2000 book, Eyewitness Nirvana: The Day-By-Day Chronicle, Goldberg said, “We met to discuss what [Nevermind‘s] second single would be. 6. Steve Hoffman Music Forums. Chances are good that you have practiced this riff if you have taken up playing guitar. And, he was right, Killing Joke later did complain about it.”. However, fortunately for Nirvana, Killing Joke did only opt for a complaint. Music plagiarism is the use or close imitation of another author's music while representing it as one's own original work.Plagiarism in music now occurs in two contexts—with a musical idea (that is, a melody or motif) or sampling (taking a portion of one sound recording and reusing it in a different song). Other footage shows a rocket being launched, a female bodybuilding contest, a group of punks at a concert in Hammersmith, book burnings, Beatles albums being burned after the "bigger than Jesus" comment and a dog wedding.[3]. Who can forget this Masterpiece by British band Lez Zeppelin. The move surprised some Nirvana fans, given Nirvana's past conflict with Killing Joke. Walker stated: We were very pissed off about that, but it's obvious to everyone. This guitar would become a main guitar for Jeff Beck during the beginning of the Jeff Beck Group feat. "What's This For? "Come as You Are" is a song by American grunge band Nirvana, written by frontman Kurt Cobain. As for those examples, check out the striking similarities between the main riff of Bobby Parker's "Watch Your Step" and the Beatles' "I Feel Fine": Well, Anubis. If you take the time to listen to people like Paul McCartney and James Jamerson, your ear will be better trained to come up with better basslines. Compare Foo Fighters' "Something From Nothing" guitar riff at the 1:29 mark and Dio's "Holy Diver" riff at the 0:48 mark in each video. One main, perhaps, crucial difference between the bands is that while Kurt Cobain practiced whisper-to-a-scream vocal dynamics, Killing Joke's Jaz Coleman was almost always full-on in his approach, with a terrifying growl of a voice that is similar to that of Motörhead's Lemmy. Girlfriend. Nirvana almost didn't release "Come As You Are" as a single because it so closely resembled Killing Joke's "Eighties." Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Cranny, Nov 30, 2020. You've got to think that somewhere along the line, some "riffs" are eventually gonna … "Eighties" is the first single from English post-punk band Killing Joke's fifth studio album, Night Time, produced by Chris Kimsey. "The Tube - Killing Joke live on The Tube ( Channel Four UK television)", "Director Recalls Shooting "Eighties" Video For Killing Joke: "They Were a Frightening Band, Extremities, Dirt and Various Repressed Emotions, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eighties_(song)&oldid=996966101, Short description is different from Wikidata, Wikipedia articles with MusicBrainz release group identifiers, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 29 December 2020, at 11:34. [10] Coleman and Ferguson separately claimed to have no knowledge of this.[11][10]. The horns in "The Grunt" as performed by the JB's (and stolen from the Isley Brothers) should be on this list as well IMO. After Nirvana released the single in 1992, members of Killing Joke claimed the main guitar riff of "Come as You Are" plagiarized the riff of "Eighties", but according to Rolling Stone magazine, they did not file a copyright infringement lawsuit because of "personal and financial reasons". Do you mean stolen as in the riff is the exact same riff, or that they are similar? Another potential reason as to why the band avoided a legal battle is because their song ‘Eighties’ itself has a striking resemblance to The Damned’s 1982 track ‘Life Goes On’. Grohl would later play the drums on the entirety of Killing Joke’s self-titled eleventh album in 2003, a collaboration which saw him pay back the Killing Joke for the hand they played in shaping his career. The time that Nirvana was accused of plagiarism, Start typing to see results or hit ESC to close, Neil Young has announced a new concert film and live album ‘Way Down in the Rust Bucket’, Why David Bowie gave Mott The Hoople ‘All The Young Dudes’, Marianne Faithfull has lost her singing voice after contracting COVID-19, ‘Donnie Darko’: 20 years of Richard Kelly’s enigmatic cult-classic. The song had been premiered during a three track live performance for UK TV show the Tube in December 1983. It was a ’59 that had a Bigsby on it. [4] Nirvana biographer Everett True wrote that "Come as You Are" was eventually chosen for release as a single because "Goldberg favoured the more obviously commercial song". [1] Upon its release, the single reached No. … If you look close, you can see where it used to be. Beatles’ 5 Boldest Rip-Offs From the “Revolution” intro to the “I Feel Fine” riff, here are five times when the Fab Four swiped musical material from their influences Helpful videos, additional tabs and more available. Page supposedly explained it well on the stand about the opening of Stairway to Heaven wasn't written by him or Spirit, it goes back to the 16th century. [5] If there was a lawsuit filed as Kerrang! For a legal history of the latter see sampling [4] However, conflicting reports, such as Kerrang!, have stated differently. An interview with Killing Joke guitarist Geordie Walker that same year[8] confirmed the possibility of a said lawsuit, thus proving that the claim by Kerrang! Kurt was nervous about ‘Come as You Are’ because it was too similar to a Killing Joke song [‘Eighties’], but we all thought it was still the better song to go with. Did Nirvana really copy the intro to Come as you? Danny Goldberg, head of Gold Mountain, later revealed that "[w]e couldn't decide between 'Come as You Are' and 'In Bloom.' 60 in the UK Singles Chart. Nirvana’s then-manager, Danny Goldberg, later admitted to the similarity between the two songs and claimed that the greatness of the song made it too good to not release as a single—even if that did mean a lawsuit from Killing Joke then that was a risk he was willing to take. Rabid, Jack. However, for Nirvana, some accusations arose around the band’s debut album, a time when listeners spotted alleged plagiarism on their 1989 song ‘Negative Creep’. ', but the hysterical thing about Nirvana saying they'd never heard of us was that they'd already sent us a Christmas card! It's simple and dynamic, in fact, you can play much of the song with it. In truth, Cobain had every right to be worried about Killing Joke because ‘Come as You Are’ is built around a slowed-down version of the guitar riff from the 1985 song ‘Eighties’. Killing Joke bassist Paul Raven spoke to Rolling Stone about the whole so-called controversy and there was no bad blood on his side about it all. A short snippet of "Eighties" was the opening theme to the 2002 sitcom That '80s Show. In truth, the situation likely only had a lucky escape because the band shared a label with Mudhoney at the time. Also, the 7" single was sold with a bonus 7" single of "Let's All Go (To the Fire Dances)". That said, the Seattle trio got away with this one oversight but, two years later, it would be a slightly different story. The 12" single A-side featured the track "Eighties (Serious Dance Mix)" with "Eighties" and "Eighties (The Coming Mix)" as B-sides. Nine years later, in 2003, Nirvana drummer Dave Grohl took a leave of absence from his current band, the Foo Fighters, to record drums for Killing Joke's second self-titled album. The reason why Cobain didn’t want the track to be their next release wasn’t that he hated the song, or didn’t think it was an appropriate single, instead he was nervous about receiving a backlash from the band Killing Joke. 60 in the UK Singles Chart.. A short snippet of "Eighties" was the opening theme to the 2002 sitcom That '80s Show. Either way, the main riff of Are You Gonna Be My Girl is a great beginner riff to learn. Log in or Sign up. And sure, there is a likelihood that it was one big coincidence, but…come … But the riff 'borrowed' amounts ... the song doesn't have much of a melody, and you really have to rack your brain to come up with the idea that it really sounds like Come together. Cobain's death in 1994 effectively dissolved Nirvana and the conflict with Killing Joke. Avril Lavigne, the girlfriend you can never ever have, reinvented the world of mainstream … If you learn a bunch of riffs, that's all you're going to have. We couldn’t decide between ‘Come as You Are’ and ‘In Bloom.’ Kurt was nervous about ‘Come as You Are’ because it was too similar to a Killing Joke song [‘Eighties’], but we all thought it was still the better song to go with. I think what you need to do is to spend more time listening to different styles of music and to other bass players. Nirvana was a trailblazing force of nature, one that came out of the traps at 100mph providing their own unique sounds to the masses—but even Kurt Cobain’s band of merry men found themselves on the receiving end of a plagiarism claim once upon a time. The official 1984 music video to "Eighties" was directed by Anthony Van Den Ende,[3] and shows the band performing the song while frontman Jaz Coleman stands in front of a microphone stand which has the U.S. flag draped over it. - YouTube You're a reader after our own hearts. "Eighties" is the first single from English post-punk band Killing Joke's fifth studio album, Night Time, produced by Chris Kimsey. Have a listen, you be the judge. For their next record, Nirvana had moved to a major label and, if they played any other tricks as they did on ‘Negative Creep’, then that goodwill would be replaced with hostility, something that Cobain was only too wary of. “He mentioned it to me when I met him backstage at Pantera a couple of years back,” he added. 5. Learn to play exactly how Dave Matthews plays The Riff himself! Winter jackets come in many different varieties, most of which are designed to work in specific weather conditions. As it says on a popular meme, if you don't like Motörhead, you may as well just fuck off. The Clash recycled the central riff from The Kinks' "The Hard Way" in "Clash City Rockers". “What the jury will do, hopefully, when you have 12 people in a room together, will be to decide whether this was a significant instance of copying.” Advertisement randy.lewis@latimes.com And, he was right, Killing Joke later did complain about it". claimed, it was either thrown out of court,[6] or it was dropped to take the burden off the remaining members of Nirvana and their management. It was used for a party scene in the 1985 movie Weird Science. The Riff guitar tabs by DMB. Records as a 12" and 7" single. Aneurysm: Fang - An Invitation(Riff) Token Eastern Song: Green River - Forever Means(Intro) Radio Friendly Unit Shifter: PIL - Annalisa(Riff, Drums) Come As You Are: Killing Joke - Eighties(Riff) Negative Creep: Mudhoney- Sweet Young Thing Ain't Sweet No More(Lyrics) Smells Like Teen Spirit: Boston - More Than A Feeling(Riff) was not a hoax. More than 40 years after the release of Stairway to Heaven, English rock band Led Zeppelin are facing allegations that its iconic guitar riff was stolen from Taurus, a … It first hit the scene in 1971, and has terrorized guitar stores ever since. However, the court that supposedly took the case was not named and many doubted that Killing Joke ever filed a lawsuit against Nirvana.[7]. Too lazy for search so here it goes... What are some songs that use a riff that is very similar to another song. With verses written by Jagger—Richards had already come up with the line “I can’t get no ... historical perspective on the riff Keith Richards ... after it was stolen from a museum in Oslo. Some people say that this riff bears an uncanny resemblance to the riff in Iggy Pop's Lust For Life. The studio version was released in April 1984[2] by E.G. 03. of 10. Nirvana "Come As You Are" (1992) vs. When it came to the release of Nevermind two years later in 1991, Cobain tried his best to persuade the band’s co-manager Danny Goldberg to avoid releasing ‘Come As You Are’, the single chosen to follow the previously released effort ‘Smells Like Teenage Spirit’. Avoiding legal issues, they decided against taking it any further. While that track would not go on to cause the band any legal headaches, it did, however, make the lead singer Cobain more careful on future releases. The band Killing Joke sued Nirvana over this song, claiming the guitar riff in "Come As You Are" had been stolen from their song "Eighties." However, The Big Takeover magazine's Jack Rabid reported that Captain Sensible's "Life Goes On", recorded by The Damned for their 1982 album, Strawberries, "features the exact same, extremely unique riff as both 'Eighties' and 'Come as You Are'". The veteran British band were more than happy to have the former Nirvana man on the record, with the whole ‘Come As You Are’ saga firmly behind them both. If you'd just like us to give you a few examples instead, first let us commend you on your unyielding laziness. Nirvana was a trailblazing force of nature, one that came out of the traps at 100mph providing their own unique sounds to the masses—but even Kurt Cobain’s band of merry men found themselves on the receiving end of a plagiarism claim once upon a time. Our publisher sent their publisher a letter saying it was and they went 'Boo, never heard of ya! If you really want to make your blood boil, in this old interview, Metallica shamelessly takes credit for creating the whole guitar riff themselves. More Revelations from Jaz Coleman". Re: "I Feel Fine" Guitar Riff Stolen: P-Dub: 7/10/11 3:59 PM: The guitar riff seems to be 'borrowed'. The song had been premiered during a three track live performance for UK TV show the Tube in December 1983. Yes, you did. It is amazing how you can have two similar songs, one becomes a monster hit, and the other has to be pointed out on a website for people to hear where the monster hit was stolen from. Your Time Is Gonna Come – An actual Zeppelin original!. Not filing a lawsuit would be a blessing in disguise for Killing Joke as the nicest man in rock ‘n’ roll, Dave Grohl, would go out of his way to thank them for not potentially sabotaging Nirvana’s career when they easily could have. This was Beck’s only Burst at the time—until it was stolen after the Jeff Beck Group’s gig in Detroit on July 26, 1969. However, Foo Fighters had previously recorded a cover of another Killing Joke song, "Requiem", as a B-side to their 1997 single "Everlong. Killing Joke "Eighties" (1984) Upon its release, the single reached No. Kurt [Cobain] was nervous about 'Come as You Are' because it was too similar to a Killing Joke song but we all thought it was still the better song to go with. “Yeah, Dave (Grohl) and I had a few laughs about that over the past year or so,” Raven said. The topic of plagiarism in music is a convoluted one, even the great George Harrison found himself on the receiving end of an appropriation claim. Nirvana won the case. Rod Stewart. While 'Eighties' unflinchingly displays the band's aggressive punk rock roots — cold and hard to mirror the socio-political message — it also embraces dance-music grooves and a certain sort of melodic sensibility. Updated and accurate tablature. We had two separate musicologists' reports saying it was. Now that you know what a forbidden riff is, I will get right into my top five. It is the third track and the second single from the band's second studio album Nevermind, released in March 1992.It was the band's second and last American top 40 hit, reaching number 32 on the Billboard Hot 100, and second UK top 10 hit, reaching number nine on the UK Singles Chart. The 7" single exempted the "Serious Dance Mix" and instead, featured "Eighties" as the A-side. A Stolen Country Part 1 01/15/2021 by: John Velisek Source: ... they badger the riff-raff to agree with their pronouncements and ask no questions. Behind him the flag of the Soviet Union can be seen. Foo Fighters' borrowing of Dio's riff seems like more a tribute to the "Pavarotti of heavy metal" than a rip-off. It is also used as the theme song for the Investigation Discovery series The 1980s: The Deadliest Decade. 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